Thank You Sen. Chuy Hinojosa for taking a stand!

Thank You Sen. Chuy Hinojosa for taking a stand! 4/20/2005 2:17:15 AM
I seen TV 3 this evening and they were trying to sensationalize a Senator that I believe was standing up for the little people. When stopped he exits his vehicle to the rear and ask the officer the reason he is being pulled over. The officer replies that he crossed the white line and that was the reason. Then the officer proceeds to ascertain the degree (how dark)of the window tint. I consider that a aearch! Without permission? Channel 3 was wrong! Thank you Chuy for standing up for us. He was headed South in a High Profile SUV so the only thing they could have been looking for is $$$$$$$$$$$$$. Once again an example of Law Enforcement "Addicted to Avarice". Chuy got a warning however I got a ticket in Bioshop for the same thing. Illegal Searches must be stopped!
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dannoynted1Posts: 553

Re: Thank You Sen. Chuy Hinojosa for taking a stand! 4/20/2005 3:03:05 AM
bravo! bravo! i thought it was the white line? or was the tint of the tint on the vehicle? or maybe they were just hoping for a nervous response? routine is this what is defined as:""a routine traffic stop""? yeah right! go chuy go chuy go chuy!
curmudgeonPosts: 3272

Don''t cross . . . 4/20/2005 5:52:25 AM
. . . the center stripe or illegally tint your windows and you probably won''t get stopped. If you want to complain about something, complain about ""consent searches"".
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1460

Both types of searches........... 4/20/2005 7:22:58 AM
we need to object. Then our right to object will not be construed as having something to hide. More warrants turning up zilch will settle those boys down.
jaimetoPosts: 69

Re: Both types of searches........... 4/20/2005 7:27:41 AM
Jaime What exactly was the reason for the ticket? Was it the shade of your tinted windows or crossing the white line? gracias jaimeto
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1460

Re: Re: Both types of searches........... 4/20/2005 7:52:22 AM
My ticket was for the tint. Chuy''s was a warning for the tint but he was pulled over for crossing the white line! My windows were rolled down!
sidewalk_cipherPosts: 2648

Re: Re: Re: Both types of searches........... 4/20/2005 10:14:46 AM
chuy was pulled over for BOTH crossing the white line AND having tinted windows... watch the tape again, the cop says ""i pulled up along side of you because your windows looked too dark"" Then upon testing, what to you know, too dark. Crum is right, don''t illegally tint your windows or vear over lines and you wouldn''t get pulled over. Next time a hispanic cop pulls me over I''m gonna scream racism and see how far that gets me.
Capt CarralesPosts: 3158

Sidewalk_Cipher... 4/20/2005 12:56:17 PM
..I agree, I am tired of peole who seem to think they don''t have to follow laws and scream Bloody" name=28183
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1460

There is a Grant called...... 4/20/2005 4:34:59 PM
the Byrne Grant. Task Forces throughout South Texas are abusing this search, seizure & forfeiture by profiling vehicles to pull over. I was pulled over and my windows were down. IMHO it is not a racial issue it is more because they (Law Enforcement)can and they do (abuse) issue . The Grant is from the Welfare to Work (WIA). There are several Legislators who are against the Byrne Grant. Remember Ed Byrne Fine Furniture?
GuidoPosts: 153
Re: Sidewalk_Cipher... 4/20/2005 9:04:13 PM
The windows were so darkly tinted, race was not an issue in the stop, obviously.
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1460

Like I said........ 4/20/2005 9:45:16 PM
it is not racial profiling but Corridor Law Enforcement''s ""Addiction to Avarice""! They are $$$$$$$$$$$$ profiling! SUV profiling! The SUV was traveling South. This is the Byrne Grant interdiction program shuttled in by the ""undercover operative of Kingsville"". Remember him? the one Patti Boothe let the name slip out? He is now the ""CEO of a very powerful religious entity"" to quote a law enforcement spokesman. It is a Federal Kingsville thing like the FDC antennas they use to interdict! Dont take my word for it. Check out Ed Byrne, the FDC by Pan Am and the WIA.
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1460

Correction FCC (Federal Communications Commission) 4/20/2005 10:23:16 PM
My bad!
hieHavocPosts: 133

Re: Steps to take during a stop... 4/20/2005 12:34:28 PM
i guess we should be good little civilians and not tint our windows at all because what do we have to hide, right? and remember, don''t question orders, you could get tasered if the Commanding Officer sees fit to do so. try not to look them in the eyes and try to take most of the bass our of your voice to rid yourself of sounding authoritative. and keep both hands on the wheel and coward forward as if you are returning to your fetal position. and then you will be the perfect civilian.
curmudgeonPosts: 3272

Yeah, and give the cop . . . 4/20/2005 1:17:28 PM
. . . some attitude . . . if you want to find out what the paint on the hood of your car taste like. Funny thing, I haven''t been pull over in years . . . well, unless you count the time the constable in Robstown pull me over on the ZX-6R for doin'' 95 in a 55. Didn''t even get a warning. There is something to be said for assuming a submissive attitude.
hieHavocPosts: 133

Re: Yeah, and give the cop . . . 4/20/2005 2:16:10 PM
no, we have laws and we have to follow them. but if they search your car for no valid reason then you should inform them that you know your rights and tell them that you will not let them search your car and not just sit there and just follow orders from a peace officer that is there to serve and protect, not stop, search, and prosecute. and the cop should have given you a ticket no matter how submissive you were or are and you had to feel like you were in the hands of cop, you were the malible phlegm that builds up in his throat and he could decide to eject you or swallow your life away. of course this is a wild exageration because it was just a speeding ticket but it would be more comparible if you were going that fast in a school zone. you know humans by nature are not submissive, we are the dominating mammal because of that, and some people are dominated in sub-categories in the human mammal category because of lack of ""spine"". why do you think you are ""broke"" in the military? you are trained to follow orders without question and when that happens you have just become ""broke"" or dominated.
Capt CarralesPosts: 3158

Here is why you and all people need to know your rights... 4/20/2005 2:20:18 PM
...under the Constitution. The Forth Amendment regards this matter, if you had a copy of the Constitution in your pocket you could quote the Supremem Law of the Land..." name=28183
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1460

I agree...... 4/20/2005 4:39:23 PM
I always show respect and usually I have no problems. There are some who have an attitude with even the most humble of citizens.
sidewalk_cipherPosts: 2648

Re: Re: Steps to take during a stop... 4/20/2005 1:56:01 PM
i guess we should be good little civilians and not tint our windows at all because what do we have to hide, right? You should be a good little civilian and not ILLEGALLY tint your windows, if you don''t want to get pulled over. Your questioning the very fabric of society(which I don''t mind), sure tinted windows seem trival, but its the law. If you don''t like the law you can always work to change it. and remember, don''t question orders, you could get tasered if the Commanding Officer sees fit to do so. Well, thats an exageration... but if you give a cop attitude he''s not gonna like it. Its possible to ask questions in a respectful way and not get slamed.
hieHavocPosts: 133

Re: Re: Re: Steps to take during a stop... 4/20/2005 2:18:22 PM
your right, i didn''t explain well, i meant if your car was searched because you had tinted windows.
Capt CarralesPosts: 3158

4th Amendment... 4/20/2005 2:26:52 PM
...''nuff Said!!!
curmudgeonPosts: 3272

During a traffic stop . . . 4/20/2005 2:30:20 PM
. . . a cop has the right to do a cursory search of those areas within reach of the driver for weapons and such.
hieHavocPosts: 133

Re: During a traffic stop . . . 4/20/2005 2:43:07 PM
yah, but its a legal authority, please don''t say right...and i expect them to do that, its for their safety, i am not against authority, i''m against the abuse of authority. watch cops sometime and count how many violations you can find.
curmudgeonPosts: 3272

Always carry . . . 4/20/2005 3:35:28 PM
. . . a box of Krispy Kreme donuts as a diverson.
bigoPosts: 435
Re: I wonder. . . 4/20/2005 3:39:51 PM
If they ticketed VP Cheney last year when he flew in to NAS Kingsville and went down south 77 to bird hunt, riding in the blacked out Suburbans.
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1460

I heard ....... 4/20/2005 5:03:42 PM
otherwise, from the one who set up the phone lines. Were they hunting with Rove or just at Rove''s lease? Or were they at Rio Paisano? The 40 million dollar Ranch that sold for $4.5 million? Hmmmm????
davidg4781Posts: 280

Re: Re: I wonder. . . 4/25/2005 7:09:09 PM
Those are government vehicles, they''re exempt, probably for the safety of the occupants(VP).
sidewalk_cipherPosts: 2648

Re: Re: Re: Re: Steps to take during a stop... 4/20/2005 4:22:47 PM
your right, i didn''t explain well, i meant if your car was searched because you had tinted windows. Ok, but that hasn''t happened...
davidg4781Posts: 280

Re: Re: Re: Re: Steps to take during a stop... 4/25/2005 7:12:30 PM
Don''t they have to ask you before searching your car? If you say yes, you gave them permission and they have the legal right to search. If you say no, they either have to let you go or get a warrant out there. Don''t let them walk over you.
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1460

Re: Re: Steps to take during a stop... 4/20/2005 4:56:00 PM
AS A HUMAN BEING YOU HAVE CERTAIN INALIENABLE RIGHTS, INCLUDING THE RIGHT TO LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT HAPPINESS .THE COSTITUTION ADVANCES THESE RIGHTS BY PROHIBITING THE GOVERNMENT FROM INTERFERING WITH YOUR RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT, TO CONSULT AN ATTORNEY AND TO BE FREE FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES AND SEIZURES BY THE POLICE. HOWEVER, IT IS UP TO YOU TO ASSERT THESE RIGHTS. THE NORML FREEDOM CARD WILL HELP YOU DO SO EFFECTIVELY. IF YOU ARE CONFRONTED BY A POLICE OFFICER, REMAIN CALM. BE COURTEOUS TOWARD THE OFFICER AND PROVIDE WITH YOUR IDENTIFING INFORMATION. REFUSE TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. ASK TO TALK TO AN ATTORNEY. DO NOT CONSENT TO ANY SEARCH. TELL THE OFFICER YOU WOULD LIKE TO GIVE HIM THIS CARD, WHICH IS A STATEMENT OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS YOU WISH TO INVOKE. DO NOT REACH FOR THIS CARD UNTIL YOU HAVE OBTAINED PERMISSION TO DO SO.SOMETIMES THE OFFICER WILL REAK THE LAW BY VIOLATING YOUR RIGHTS. IF THE OFFICER FAILS TO HONOR YOUR RIGHTS, THEN REMAIN CALM AND POLITE AND ASK HIM TO NOTE YOUR OBJECTION IN HIS REPORT. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO PHYSICALLY RESIST AN UNLAWFUL SEARCH AND SEIZURE OF YOU OR YOUR PROPERTY. IF NECESSARY, YOU CAN POINT THE VIOLATIONS OUT TO A JUDGE AT A LATER TIME. TO ALL GOVERNMENT AGENCIES AND OFFICERS: · I HEARBY INVOKE AND REFUSE TO WAIVE ALL OF THE FOLLOWING RIGHTS AND PRIVLEGES AFFORDED TO ME BY THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION. · I INVOKE AND REFUSE TO WAIVE MY FIFTH AMENDMENT RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT. DO NOT ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS · I INVOKE AND REFUSE TO WAIVE MY SIXTH AMENDMENT RIGHT TO AN ATTORNEY OF MY CHOICE. DO NOT ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS WITHOUT MY ATTORNEY PRESENT. I INVOKE AND REFUSE TO WAIVE ALL PRIVLEGES AND RIGHTS PURSUANT TO THE CASE MIRANDA V. ARIZONA. DO NOT ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS OR MAKE ANY COMMENT TO ME AOUT THIS DECISION. · I INVOKE AND REFUSE TO WAIVE MY FOURTH AMENDMENT RIGHT TO E FREE FROM SEARCHES AND SEIZURES. I DO NOT CONSENT TO ANY SEARCHES OR SEIZURES OF MYSELF OR OF ANY PROERTY. DO NOT ASK ME AOUT MY OWNERSHIP INTEREST IN ANY PROPERTY. I DO NOTCONSENT TO THIS CONTACT. IF IAM NOT PRESENTLY UNDER ARREST OR UNDER INESTIGATION DETENTION, ADISE ME OF MY FREEDOM TO DISCONTINUE MY CONTACT WITH YOU AND LEAVDO NOT DISCCUSS WITH ME, QUESTION ME AOUT OR COMMENT UPON, DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY,MY DECISION TO INOKE ANY OF THESE RIGHTS WITHOUT MY ATTORNEY PRESENT. FURTHERMORE, DO NOT QUESTION ME IN AN EFFORT TO CLARIFY ANY OF THE INFORMATION ON THIS CARD WITHOUT MY ATTORNEY PRESENT. ANY STATEMENT I MAKE OR CONSENT I GIE, IN RESPONSE TO YOUR QUESTIONSIS HEARBY MADE UNDER PROTEST AND UNDER DURESS AND IN SUBMISSION TO YOUR LAWFUL AUTHORITY TO FORCE ME TO PROVIDE YOU WITH INFORMATION.
dannoynted1Posts: 553

Re: Don''t cross . . . 4/22/2005 12:13:56 AM
the limo drivers cuz the people want see who is behind those too dark windows limos should start getting stopped now! their tint is way too dark for me to see what color they are i am hoping a shade of blue! hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
davidg4781Posts: 280

Re: Re: Don''t cross . . . 4/25/2005 7:14:38 PM
It''s just the front windows that matter, the back ones can be painted black. Or, tinted" name=28183
GuidoPosts: 153
Re: Thank You Sen. Chuy Hinojosa for taking a stand! 4/20/2005 8:58:21 PM
First of all, Chuy isn''t standing up for the little guy. He is just having a tantrum. He is the big bad senator, who violated the law, albeit a minor law, who was ticked off that he was called on it. Secondly, while you may believe it is a search, the federal courts do not agree. Probable cause existed for the officer to check the tint, since he could not see through the tint that was well over the legal limit. Chuy, like all of us, have to observe the same laws that the legislature, of which he is a part I might add, adopts. He is just a patron going after the little guy, not standing up for them. He thinks he is above them. He does lie like a politician though...
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1460

Dont insult........ 4/20/2005 10:03:22 PM
your intelligence Guido. Those tint meters are an easy & efficient way of generating money for the local ""political bosses"" in South Texas. It is the quota system tweaked and then cubed. So is the law applicable to the darkness of window tint. Like Curmy said they do not pull the Pres or the Vice pres over for the windows that might as well be walls (as far as vision is considered). Several on the ""Hill"" are violating the Law as your interpretation implies. My windows were rolled down when they pulled me over to check? Whether he is throwing a tantrum or not he is still standing up for a group of people that have been subjected to the Corrupted Greed of Corridor Lawmen. God does work in mysterious ways? Sen Chuy Hinojosa is not the only one complaining about the Byrne Grant officers and interdiction. Educate yourself on the issue?
bykcopPosts: 57

Re: Re: Thank You Sen. Chuy Hinojosa for taking a stand! 4/23/2005 1:46:41 AM
Here is my take on the issue. First of all this reminded me of the video durring the election of govenor Rick Perry with the trooper outside Austin. Chuy was doing nothing but trying to use his power and influence to intimidate the officer. Chuy was stopped for crossing the white line and the dark window tint. Simple. It was not racial or even drug courier profiling. Don''t read to much into things. He is lucky officer Magee gave him a warning. Maybe Chuy is sending a message to us. Remember it ws not long ago in the valley news, Chuy was linked to some campaign supporters who have been under investigation for drug trafficing by the federal gov''t. Ask yourself is Chuy really out for the little man or is this some form of campaign support. Remember Texas began the concept and practice of inercepting and getting the dope and dope money off the street. Every year other states have sent their officers to learn form agencies like the South Texs Narcotics Task Force. This is not some fly by night thing. And the best part is that drug courier profiling is OK by the gov''t and not considered racial profiling. The reality is simple if we loose drug interdiction then we can expect the illegal drug market to once again flourish. Right now we are putting a dent. It is no secret that HWY 77 and HWY 281 are known major drug trafficing routes into the US. It has been for over 15 years now. Hitting them where the money is hurts. Getting the drug money hurts more than the dug seizures. I have both stopped vehicles and recieved consent to search and have been stopped and searched (consent given). For those of us who toe the line then we have nothing to fear. But for those who have something to fear then you see the worry lines begin to raise. CMR CMR
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1460

Chuy Hinojosa is only one of many Legislators... 4/23/2005 3:26:19 AM
including the National Congress that want to end the Ed Byrne Grant & the fraud / corruption connected to it. Do you know this grant stems from the WIA welfare to work legislation of 1995-97? Chuey did nothing in violation during the stop. He only exercised his rights; probably moreso than an ordinary (not legally trained) citizen. If more people refused to be searched then they would not harrass multitudes to catch the few. I am against the traffickers and terrorists but not at the expense of the patriot act being used against americans who are not in posession of drugs with the intent to distribute, but they are seizing $$$$$$$$$$ & vehicles for a minute amount of Mary Jane (sometimes a seed) or money that a dog alerts to like less than 10K that might harbor a residue. Stashing of money to keep for themselves and sometimes even drugs to boot also. These guys are ""Addicted to Avarice"". Tim Knowell needs to check himself!
dannoynted1Posts: 553

Re: Re: Re: Thank You Sen. Chuy Hinojosa for taking a stand! 4/23/2005 3:35:31 AM
money rather than drugs? now you confirmed what i already knew its the cash from the profits of the drugs you want and not the ""interdiction"" of the drugs that give you the cash i bet you you profile where ever you are! courier profile? that is a new one, thanx for the insight! is that why he was stopped? so it was not the tint or ""white"" line? good to know it was a ""routine acceptable traffic stop!"" you can bet it will not be routine when you stop me... i''ve been accused of having an ""attitude"" but with the utmost respect!
bykcopPosts: 57

Re: Re: Re: Re: Thank You Sen. Chuy Hinojosa for taking a stand! 4/25/2005 12:56:22 AM
It has never been a secret that interdiction targets both the removal of drug and the big hit to the pocket book of the drug leaders. When I went through drug interdiction training in 1996, I was shocked to learn of the most commonly used individuals for transporting the illegal drugs are women with children. The sad part is that it has not changed as far as the couriers. As far as using the word routine...I don''t believe in it. Just last week I was assisting another officer on a DWI stop of a 30''s white female with two young children in the car. When I was able to release the children to their grandparent not only did I find Rx meds in the front under the seat but was has tested positive as ""Meth"" near one car seat. The reality is that while profiling is a tool that has been used as a means of intelligence gathering, there is no such thing as routine and no amount of intelligence that will truely predict a specific behavior (esp when it comes to drugs). I don''t work traffic enforcement full time but I do average 6 - 10 stops per day and not a single one could be considered routine.
mark blankenshipPosts: 1094
Re: Re: Re: Thank You Sen. Chuy Hinojosa for taking a stand! 4/23/2005 7:13:31 AM
Bycop, good to see you back.
bykcopPosts: 57

Re: Re: Re: Re: Thank You Sen. Chuy Hinojosa for taking a stand! 4/25/2005 12:43:36 AM
Thanks Mark...I am limited on my time due to my work schedule (and being short handed now days adds to the work load). I will try to keep poping in every time I get a chance.
mark blankenshipPosts: 1094
On a side note.... 4/21/2005 1:54:08 AM
Our illustrious city fishwrap outed State Senator Juan Chuy Hinojosa as one of 30 state legislators who have a conceled carry permit. I wonder if his votes reflect this fact. Hmmm.....
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1460

I wonder....... 4/21/2005 2:24:23 AM
if he was (pro or anti) also ? He probably carried one anyway being that he does travel through 3 or more counties; it would be legal, right?
curmudgeonPosts: 3272

A popular urban myth . . . 4/21/2005 5:56:20 AM
. . . that will get you arrested.
dannoynted1Posts: 553

Re: On a side note.... 4/21/2005 3:37:37 AM
so i guess asking if he had a weapon would have been considered null since it was cumulative? i guess they were hoping he would pull it?
davidg4781Posts: 280

Re: Re: On a side note.... 4/25/2005 7:25:50 PM
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donpPosts: 14

Re: Thank You Sen. Chuy Hinojosa for taking a stand! 4/21/2005 4:37:08 PM
Hey Jaime, in the first place when an officer I believe you are supposed to stay in your car and next the windows were dark enough that the officer could not tell if a mexican , white or black person was driving so get off your race card. Are you a member of LULAC or what. Every time a mexican gets stopped its a racial thing , screw you.
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1460

Don P: I said $$$$$$$$$....... 4/21/2005 10:01:43 PM
profiling. Do your homework. Right now you are the dunce of the room! I never play the race card. Edumacate yourself! DUH?????