Alfaro & Cisneros

Sunday, Aug. 23, 1998

Ex-general's latest mission: Lead A&M-Kingsville

By HEATHER HOWARD
Staff Writer

Corpus Christi lawyer Dan Alfaro knew more than 30 years ago, as a young Army second lieutenant at Fort Sam Houston, that barracks-mate Marc Cisneros was a born leader.
It was the summer of 1961, and Alfaro, then barely 22, was impressed with Cisneros' always-immaculate uniform, unfailing devotion to his wife and intense dedication to the Army.
``He was always up at . . . 5 a.m. in the morning, ready to go, always ahead of me,'' Alfaro said. ``I could tell right then and there when I met him that he was destined to do great things, not only in the Army but in his life.''
Those things included a 35-year Army career with three tours of combat duty -- two in Vietnam, one in Panama -- and a position as a corporate executive.
Last week, Texas A&M University System regents unanimously selected Cisneros, who retired from the Army as a three-star general, to take over as president of Texas A&M University-Kingsville.
He will replace Manuel Ibanez, who announced in January that he would step down Sept. 1 after nine years as university president. Ibanez has said he will remain at A&M-Kingsville to teach biology.
Born in Brownsville and raised in Premont, Cisneros, 59, is a former commander of the 5th Army headquartered at Fort Sam Houston in San Antonio and was responsible for Army activities in states west of the Mississippi River. In 1996, he became an executive for Fluor Daniel Inc., a San Antonio construction company.
``I think (Cisneros) exemplifies honor to your country, which I think in our society is something all of us are losing,'' Alfaro said. ``I think he will lead A&M-Kingsville with that same dedication.''
It will be a tough mission, Cisneros said -- one he hopes to fulfill by recruiting aggressively, becoming a mentor to young people and reaching out to area school districts to help them better prepare students for college.
About half of A&M-Kingsville's students must take remedial courses -- something Cisneros wants to change.
``That's a challenge throughout Texas,'' he said. ``I want to develop a comprehensive overview of what they can do to cooperate with area high schools to overcome this. I'm not accepting that there's nothing we can do to improve.''
The university also has faced declining enrollment in the past few years -- a trend at least partially attributed by university officials to the 1994 conversion of Texas A&M University-Corpus Christi to a four-year campus.
A&M-Kingsville enrolled 6,576 students in fall 1993. Last fall, the school's enrollment was 6,050, university officials have said.
In fall 1993, A&M-Corpus Christi had 4,475 students. Last fall, it enrolled 5,686 -- a 27 percent increase.
``That was a big factor that caused the challenge in enrollment decline,'' Cisneros said.
Last year, U.S. News & World Report ranked Texas A&M University-Corpus Christi the top public regional university in the state in its 1998 ranking of the nation's best colleges.
The magazine, however, rated A&M-Kingsville among the lower level of schools that were ranked.
Cisneros said he is not deterred.
``I think Kingsville has some advantages no other schools (in the area) have,'' he said.
Those include, he said, nationally recognized engineering and agriculture programs and a campus that has the potential to bustle with student life.
``We have a beautiful campus,'' he said. ``Part of the development and maturing of child is an opportunity to be away from home. And yet it's close enough to get home on the weekends.''
Cisneros said he wants to encourage more students to live on campus -- something he hopes to do, in part, by seeking Legislative funding to provide money to help students with housing.
``If students are just commuting to school and leaving . . . that doesn't create a complete academic environment,'' Cisneros said.
Cisneros' said his No. 1 goal is to develop a mentoring relationship between faculty and students -- an ability friends say Cisneros honed in the military.
``He has mentored and led hundreds of young people,'' said Stephen ``Tio'' Kleberg, former head of the King Ranch's cattle and farming operations and a friend of Cisneros for more than 20 years.
But doing that also will depend, Cisneros said, on convincing students to go to college in the first place.
Cisneros said he intends to spend a great deal of time recruiting, talking one-on-one with students and parents and trying to convince students that going to college will give them more opportunities -- and show them how going is possible.
``A lot of parents are sending first-generation children to the university,'' Cisneros said. ``They don't have, a lot of them, the experience of how to get children through school.''
Kleberg said Cisneros' South Texas roots will help bridge that gap.
``I think he realizes there's an awful lot of potential and what he's faced with are third and fourth generations of people in families without college degrees,'' said Kleberg, who served on the committee that chose candidates for the president's position.
Helping those students succeed will be the key, Cisneros said, to securing a better future for South Texas.
``I was raised, my heart was developed, my values were developed in South Texas,'' Cisneros said. ``If I have been successful at all, I have done it because I was raised in the Coastal Bend area. When this opportunity came up . . . I said this would give me a great opportunity to contribute to the area.''

King Ranch was built on the knowledge that came from the earlier Tejano ranches in the region, especially the Bobedo.

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King Ranch absorbed older Bobedo Ranch

December 20, 2006

Years before Richard King established King Ranch there was a large ranch a few miles to the south - the Bobedo Ranch owned by Manuel Ramirez Elizondo. The Bobedo straddled the main route from Corpus Christi to Brownsville northwest of Baffin Bay.

The Corpus Christi Star on March 26, 1849 reported: "Our correspondent en route to Brownsville writes from this well-known ranch: The Bobedo is owned by Manuel Ramirez . . . who has 'manadas' of mares for breeding . . . and between 2,000 and 3,000 head of cattle. Yet for all this stock - worth perhaps $20,000 - he employs only one herder . . . I may as well remark, though, that the extent of the land, embracing 12 leagues, is so great as to isolate his stock from that of others."

(The name Bobedo is a corruption of the Spanish grant, Rincon de la Boveda.)

In April or early May, 1852, Richard King and friends rode from Brownsville to Corpus Christi to attend Henry Kinney's Lone Star Fair. Many accounts say that King camped at a spot on the Santa Gertrudis Creek, where Kingsville is today, and that's where he got the idea of starting a ranch. Another account, however, says King stopped to visit Manuel Ramirez (Elizondo) at the Bobedo Ranch and while there King asked about land for sale.

This story was told by King Ranch vaquero Francisco Alvarado, as related to a grandson, Victor Rodriguez Alvarado. The grandson remembered in his final years what his parents and grandparents told him about the early years of King Ranch.

Alvarado said King asked Ramirez about land suitable for ranching that might be for sale. Ramirez told him about the Santa Gertrudis grant 12 miles to the north. Praxides Uribe of Matamoros claimed title to the grant.

King asked Ramirez to intercede for him and his partner "Legs" Lewis in the purchase of the land. Ramirez agreed. A contract between Ramirez and Uribe in 1854 conveyed the Santa Gertrudis to Ramirez for $1,800, $150 per league of land, but no money was paid. It was contingent on Uribe providing papers showing ownership; he refused to do so until he had cash in hand. In 1856, three years after he had begun his ranch, King bought the land for $5,000.

"In order to build his first houses," Alvarado said, "King went to the Bobedo and got my grandfather, Francisco Alvarado, as workman, to build houses (jacals they were called). My grandfather, my father, and their families also came . . . they made the first houses of wood and dirt with thatched roofs."

King Ranch was built on the knowledge that came from the earlier Tejano ranches in the region, especially the Bobedo.

The Bobedo Ranch was still a thriving, working ranch after the Civil War. What happened to the Bobedo is a puzzle hidden in the pages of history.

In 1874, Manuel Ramirez (Elizondo) died. John McClane, Nueces County sheriff and a friend of Richard King, petitioned the court (the ranch was then in Nueces County) to be named administrator of the estate. McClane was appointed. Of the three appraisers of the estate, at least one was a close associate of King, Reuben Holbein. The appraisers valued the estate at $56,000; cattle were valued at $3.50 per head, well below market value. King purchased all the land and cattle, paying Ramirez's sons.

Victor Rodriguez Alvarado in his memoirs noted that the Bobedo cattle were taken to Kansas and sold. "The money he got from the steers was sufficient to pay the entire cost of the ranch. In such a manner, King did his business . . ."

However it came about, the Bobedo was absorbed by King Ranch. In 1907, Theodore Koch bought some 20,000 acres of the old Bobedo from Henrietta King, widow of the late Richard King. Koch laid out new towns he named Riviera and Riviera Beach.

Accusations as old as Texas claim that cunning Anglo land-grabbers used their influence with friends in high places to steal land that rightfully belonged to Spanish and Mexican grantees. No doubt some of that happened, but blatant prejudice frames the issue on both sides. We can't judge what happened by the standards of their time, and it would be unfair to judge it by the standards of our own.

But it is long past the time to either prosecute or defend. Whether land-stealing happened with Manuel Ramirez Elizondo's Bobedo Ranch is certainly open to question. In any event, the younger King Ranch became famous throughout the world, while the story of the older Bobedo Ranch, which showed the way, is almost unknown.

Note: Memoirs of Victor Rodriquez Alvarado in an unpublished manuscript were sent to me years ago by Carmel Alvarado of Agua Dulce. Some details of how King acquired the Bobedo Ranch are covered in the book "Tejano Legacy" by Armando C. Alonzo.

Murphy Givens is Viewpoints Editor of the Caller-Times. Phone: 886-4315; e-mail: HYPERLINK mailto:givensm@caller.com givensm@caller.com.

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The sword or the pen?

Van Halen - Ballot Or The Bullet Lyrics

Give me liberty or give me death

No truer words have ever been said

Well are you prepared for your very last breath?

Don't you dare start what you cannot finish



So when we face, face the adversary

No longer are we the minority



And when history repeats her hour

The pendulum will swing, swing into power

Though not in vain like our forefathers

Freedom, never had no room for cowards



For in the end, there will be equality

By any means necessary



The ballot or the bullet

The choice is up to you

The ballot or the bullet

Tell me what you gonna do

The sword or the pen

Can be held by the same hand



What's it gonna take to liberate?

An emancipation, a false proclamation?

All these token words that you legislate

Sound a little bit absurd. Hey! And a little too late



When a house is divided, it just will not stand

Once it's decided, a line drawn in the sand



Ah! The ballot or the bullet

The choice is up to you

The ballot or the bullet

Tell me what you gonna do

The sword or the pen

Can be held by the same hand



(Guitar Solo)



The ballot or the bullet

The choice is up to you

The ballot or the bullet

Tell me what you gonna do



The ballot or the bullet

The choice is up to you

The ballot or the bullet

Tell me what you gonna do

The sword or the pen can be

The sword or the pen can be

The sword or the pen can be

The sword or the pen can be

The sword or the pen can be

held, held by the same hand!

Los Kineños: The Romanticized Version

Born to be an educator

By RUDY PADILLA
Published: Thursday, August 17, 2006 10:35 AM CDT
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Roel Quintanilla, Principal at J.C. Harmon High School, was raised on the famous King Ranch in southern Texas. The beginning’s of the King Ranch is told on their web page:

“There was a terrible drought in South Texas and Northern Mexico. Captain King traveled to the little hamlet of Cruillas in the Mexican state of Tamaulipas.

“The townspeople were in such dire straits that they sold all of their cattle to him in an attempt to survive the drought. A short distance out of town, slowly driving the cattle north toward Texas, Captain King realized that, in solving an immediate problem for the people of Cruillas, he had simultaneously removed their long-term means of livelihood. He turned his horse back toward the town and made its people a proposition. He would provide them with food, shelter and income if they would move and come to work on his ranch. The townspeople conferred and many of them agreed to move north with Captain King.

“Already expert stockmen and horsemen, these resilient denizens of the rugged Mexican range became known as Los Kinenos - King's people. They and many generations of their heirs would go on to weave a large portion of the historical tapestry of King Ranch. The expert Kineno cowboys now occupy a justifiably legendary place in the annals of the taming of the vast American West. The mystique of the Kinenos is alive and well, and descendants of the original Cruillas residents still live and work on the ranch today - providing a vital link with the past and giving the ranch a key aspect of its unique atmosphere.”

The vastness of the huge ranch on which he lived seems to have given him a wish to know more about the world. He would later turn his attention to being an educator. A definition of an educator is: to demonstrate a commitment to creating new knowledge, to applying knowledge to solving problems to synthesize various strands of knowledge, and to understanding how students learn.

The first 18 years of his life Roel Quintanilla spent in south Texas. He grew up and worked on the King Ranch, as did his parents and family. He attended schools on the ranch property that had students who were predominately Hispanic. After high school Quintanilla decided to go to the university in nearby Kingsville. He was planning to become a teacher.

Mr. Quintanilla completed his college education at Wichita State University in Wichita, Kansas after his military service. He earned his bachelor’s degree in political science/ American history and his master’s degree in educational administration. He spent 27 years employed by the Wichita school district serving as a middle school level social studies teacher and then on up the ranks from assistant principal at that same middle school to assistant principal at three of the district’s high schools to finally serving as principal at Wichita High School North until his retirement in June of 2003.

Not ready to be relegated to a rocking chair just yet he traveled from Wichita north to Kansas City to become an assistant principal, which led to his present position of principal at J C Harmon High School.

When asked if his first year as Principal of J.C. Harmon High School was as expected, he said:

“The first year as principal at Harmon High School was exciting, rewarding and challenging. The expected challenges were those that larger urban schools typically encounter. Time was spent getting acquainted with the students, parents, and staff in order to better understand the strengths of the system and also the needs as identified by those served. Many partnerships have been forged with parent groups and the community as a whole. The welcome that was received at Harmon High School was warm and inviting. It has been a joy to serve the Harmon Community.”

Mr. Quintanilla makes the following suggestions to parents so that their students can be successful in a high school setting.

Daily attendance is extremely important. Parents need to ensure that their students are in class everyday and that absences be allowed only under rare circumstances.

Completion of all schoolwork is a responsibility of the student. Parents need to check with their student, the teachers, and attend parent conferences to ensure that the student is being successful in the classroom. If the parent does not ask the question, no one else will.

Limit the amount of time that students work after school. Students often report to school exhausted because they are trying to attend a full day of school and work 6 or 7 hours at a job as well.

Participation in school activities and other extracurricular activities are very important for a well-rounded student. This is the place where skills learned in the classroom are put into practice.

Monitor where your student goes and whom they are friends with. Get to know your student’s friends and their parents as well. The influence of a peer is a very powerful force.

Make sure that the students are reading for pleasure.

Roel Quintanilla, like many other students, experienced financial difficulties while attending the university. He decided to take a hiatus from higher education in 1968 to join the U. S. Air Force which allowed him to take advantage of the G I bill. This experience led him to a three-year tour of duty overseas. He spent time in England, Spain, and Turkey as a supply agent supporting the F150 aircraft and then being finally stationed in Wichita, Kansas where he stayed for many years to follow. Upon his honorable discharge he returned to the university to complete his degrees.

Note: On Web page www.valiantpress.com the book Valor & Discord (Mexican Americans and the Vietnam War) is available. Forty years after Among the Valiant was published, second-generation Purple Heart recipient and Vietnam veteran, Eddie Morin, chronicles the heroism demonstrated in combat by Mexican-Americans. The social upheaval that clouded the purpose of supreme sacrifice is in the backgrounds of interviews with hundreds of these brave and valiant heroes.

All the passion that the reader experienced with Raul Morin’s Among the Valiant is re-lived with son Eddie Morin’s vivid accounts of the first-person experiences that these Vietnam War veterans shared. Valor & Discord serves as a catharsis for the veterans who returned with feelings of confusion and disenfranchisement. A must read for social historians.

Nueces De La Parra: May Our LORD ALMIGHTY be with Barbara Canales and her Babies!

Nueces De La Parra: May Our LORD ALMIGHTY be with Barbara Canales and her Babies!

ARMED AND DANGEROUS Fear and loathing in Kingsville, Texas Local residents fuming over Army live-fire exercise

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ARMED AND DANGEROUS
Fear and loathing in Kingsville, Texas
Local residents fuming over Army live-fire exercise

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Posted: February 15, 1999
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By David M. Bresnahan
© 1999 WorldNetDaily.com

A group of Kingsville, Texas, citizens now plan to pursue action against their city for permitting the Army to use live ammunition during an exercise in their town known as Operation Last Dance.

Angry citizens are expected to crowd the next city council and county commission meetings, both scheduled to be held Feb. 22. At least one citizen is looking into legal action.

Back door to building blasted open.

Some residents said they were terrified when helicopters swooped into town from the Army Special Operations Command, Ft. Bragg, North Carolina, last Monday night. One helicopter hit a telephone pole, which started a fire and horrified residents who saw it happen.

At least eight helicopters are reported to have participated in an assault exercise using live ammunition and explosives very close to innocent bystanders who were not warned of the planned action.

Fire officials confirmed that they responded to the resulting fire, but had no warning that the exercise would take place. They were also summoned to put out a building fire caused by explosions set off during the exercise.

It has since been learned from military sources that the actual group involved in the exercise is known as the Knight Stalkers, an elite group from the Delta Force. They are trained to conduct assassination missions, according to several retired military officers who had served in various special operations assignments.

The Army Special Operations Command at Ft. Bragg, North Carolina, has acknowledged that the event was the kick-off of a series of similar training operations going on in Kingsville, Corpus Christi and Fort Sam Houston, but would not confirm that the group was the Knight Stalkers. Additional training events have been confirmed in the area.

Austin radio station talk show host Alex Jones went to Kingsville to investigate for WorldNetDaily. He arrived just in time to find work crews covering up the evidence of the extensive damage caused by the exercise.

A former police station and an old Exxon office building were nearly destroyed. Evidence of bullet holes in walls, explosions from grenades, and other explosive charges could be seen. Fire damage was also extensive in at least one of the buildings.

Lt. Judy Hayes, 3rd in command at Kingsville Police Department

"There was a joint training session between the United States Army and the Kingsville Police Department," Lt. Judy Hayes, third in command at the Kingsville police told Jones.

"The Army was doing some sort of extraction type thing. They used eight helicopters. Our training involved sealing off the area, as if we were involved in taking care of a hazardous materials type incident. We were rerouting traffic and making sure there was no civilian foot traffic in the area. So we got quite a bit of training in that area.

"The only participation on the part of the Kingsville Police Department was in a hazardous materials training session. We did not participate in any way with what the Army was doing," insisted Hayes.

Throughout the interview with Jones, two men in black SWAT team uniforms stood behind her. Jones believes it was an attempt to intimidate him.

The Kingsville Fire Department was not given notice of the exercise, and it was not invited to participate in the alleged hazardous materials training, even though it would be called in if there were a real even of that kind.

The fire department spokesman claimed officials were not aware of the event until they were called to respond to the telephone pole fire and the fire at the former police station.

An elderly lady who lives in an apartment across from where the exercise took place told Jones that she was frightened to death and crying. She was sitting on a bench in full view of the area where the helicopters first appeared and where all the shooting took place.

"I sit on the bench, and then I get scared because the noise. It was so terrible and too loud, you know. They were throwing some bombs. I think they were using some rifles too, and the other kind of rifles that go pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, you know," said the elderly woman, identified only as Gracie.

She described seeing many black helicopters with men in black coming out of them. She heard explosions and apparently machine gun fire. She said it lasted at least two hours.

"I was so scared I went back to my apartment, but I could still hear the noise," Gracie said. She said she was so scared that she cried and her heart hurt. She said no one warned her or came to tell her what was going on.

Business owners are also complaining. The police claim they warned businesses in the area of the exercise in advance. If they did, WorldNetDaily was unable to find any that would confirm that. The businesses in the area that were open at the time of the exercise had no idea what was going on.

A former police chief and former city council member have expressed dismay over the incident and are contemplating filing an official complaint.

Police Chief Philipe Garza was appointed to his position even though he did not have the required training. He is currently under investigation for police brutality and abuse.

Police Chief Philipe Garza has been the object of a number of investigations lately. Currently the U.S. Department of Justice has been asked to investigate accusations of police abuse. Several residents, who did not wish to be identified, claim that Garza is very abusive with citizens and rules by intimidation.

Garza claims there are very few complaints from residents of Kingsville. He says the only complaints are coming from people in other parts of the country.

The head of emergency management for Kingsville is the Federal Emergency Management Agency coordinator Tomas Sanchez. He is a highly decorated Navy veteran, wounded in Vietnam and retired after 30 years of service. He now continues to serve as the head of the military police unit of the Texas State Guard, which is under the National Guard.

Sanchez has had extensive experience and training in special operations, and he expressed deep concern to WorldNetDaily about events in Kingsville. He was asked what was the purpose of the exercise. He said the plan involved a scenario that required military action because local police could not deal with civilians effectively.

"Martial law has been declared through presidential powers and war powers act, and some citizens have refused to give up their weapons. They have taken over two of the buildings in Kingsville. The police cannot handle it. So you call these guys in. They show up and they zap everybody, take all the weapons, and let the local P.D. clean it up," described Sanchez of the scenario the Knight Stalkers were likely given.

Sanchez says the military exercise in his town was illegal under the Posse Comitatus Act, but he says that Presidential Decision Directive 25 has given an exception to Special Operations. He believes the men involved have total immunity from any legal action against them. Although PDD 25 is top secret, Sanchez has seen it because of his position with FEMA, and he has a security clearance. He would not provide a copy to WorldNetDaily.

"Some folks are talking about seeking some legal counsel. Some are asking for the crisis incident stress management counseling. They would like to see some of that," said Sanchez.

Shell casing used by Knight Stalkers to blast their way through doors.

"When the helos are right above the rooftop, and the windows are vibrating, and people are ducking under the bed, and so on and so forth, they need that," he explained.

Sanchez was able to locate some of the helicopters and some of the soldiers used in Operation Last Dance. He decided to take a drive to the Corpus Christi Naval Air Station and the Corpus Christi Army Depot where all the helicopters are given maintenance.

"Parked between hanger 45 and 46 on the tarmac were four Blackhawk, no marking, helicopters. They've got it all blocked off with a chain link fence that says ID card required to gain access. No security guard. One can drive up close enough to look through the fence and see the Blackhawk helocopters. Only four of them were parked there," said Sanchez of his findings.

He said the men involved are most likely staying at the bachelor- enlisted quarters, which is a three-story barracks building. Some of the men have been observed eating in a fast food restaurant right near the bachelor-enlisted quarters.

"You can always tell these guys because even when they put on civilian clothes they still look like Army Rangers. White sidewalls we call it. Short crew cut," Sanchez explained.

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David M. Bresnahan, a contributing editor for WorldNetDaily.com, is the author of "Cover Up: The Art and Science of Political Deception," and offers a monthly newsletter "Talk USA Investigative Reports." He may be reached through email and also maintains a website.

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South Texas Chisme: DISTRICT COURT TORPEDOED

South Texas Chisme: DISTRICT COURT TORPEDOED

Why would escobar want a new district court?

Monday, January 09, 2006

DISTRICT COURT TORPEDOED
Kleberg and Kenedy counties waited over 20 years to get their own court. It passed the House - great! It passed the Senate - stupendous! Kingsville State Rep. Juan Escobar was jubilant.He succeeded where others failed.............Wait!.............It can't happen!.............. State Rep. Vilma Luna of Corpus Christi led the charge with her closely allied REPUBLICAN friends and killed the bill at the last moment. Why would she interfere in another county's business? It's not proper protocol. It is now rumored that the Kleberg County politicos are beginning to organize to not only try again for a district court but to find a viable candidate to unseat that REPUBLICAN in sheep’s clothing. Trespassing on another's backyard with her REPUBLICAN cohorts is not new to Vilma. She recently sponsored a fundraiser for REPUBLICAN Craddick in Kingsville without even telling State Rep. Escobar. (Things may be more difficult for Vilma in the future now that her major REPUBLICAN connection in Kenedy and Kleberg counties, Tobin Armstrong, has gone to greener pastures.) Do ya think that's why she wasn't included or invited by her fellow Democrats to the Oklahoma history making bash? Guess she'll also just go down in flames like her mentor, Carlitos Truan.
posted by elwhatsamatta @ 8:05 AM

6 Comments:
At 3:53 PM, Jaime Kenedeño said...
Good Cleberg dont need a new district court.They stole the TAMUK Pharmacy funds to bater for it.I got a whole lot of proof of shennanigans with these King Ranch Puppets. Kenedy wants nothing to do with it.
At 9:58 PM, DANNOYNTED1 said...
Why would escobar want a new district court?Is it the king ranch influence?It was John Hubert.
At 10:13 PM, Jaime Kenedeño said...
Escobar traded TAMUK's Pharmacy Funds to trade for New District Court!6/15/2005 8:22 PM --------------------------------------------------------------------------------He noted that the Kleberg County Commissioners Court first passed a resolution asking the Legislature to create a new court in 1981 and adopted similar pleas in 1995, 1996, 1999 and last November. “I recognize that there has been some concern raised since then about whether there will be enough funds available from the state for both the Irma Rangel College of Pharmacy at Texas A&M-Kingsville if the state also has to finance a new district court for Kleberg and Kenedy counties, but I think that concern is unjustified,” Escobar said. http://www.kingsvillerecord.net/story64.shtml
At 10:14 PM, Jaime Kenedeño said...
It is Hubert & The Boothes who are behind this whole Division of Kingsville7/1/2005 1:26 AM --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Allegedly, an FBI Agent informed Officials he was anticipating Judge Hayden Head to inquire if the FBI had in fact been contacted. The FBI Agent allegedly informed official that he (the FBI Agent) would be forced to say they had not been contacted. Official claims to have informed FBI at least 3 times. Judge Head requested any conspiracy theories be put in writing. Official informed the undercover agent & the FBI informant of the Judge's request. FBI informant contacted his handler who allegedly contacted the U S Attorney's office (where Patricia Hubert Boothe is a Prosecutor). In turn, the U S Attorney's office was being asked to petition the Court to seal the documents from public disclosure. Kingsville Official followed with a call to the U S Attorney's office and stressed the importance of sealing the documents (with the names of the undercover officer as well as the informant)to avoid revealing the identities. Allegedly, the U S Attorney's office assured Official this would be done before the time set in the Judge's order to deliver the documents. When documents were handed over official restated the importance of the documents being sealed. When the documents were handed in (to a female U S Attorney?) Official "understood" that at that time an order to seal the documents would be in place. Then Official traveled back to Kingsville. That same day Official was informed (by an FBI informant in San Antonio)that the documents had been turned over to a reporter in Corpus Christi; who had contacted the informant in San Antonio inquiring as to the truth of the documents. It seems as though the recusal of certain persons with the U S Attorney's Office that the motion to seal the documents was never carried out. A Media Frenzy ensued. Who recused and thus dropped the ball where John Hubert's Sister is an assistant U S Attorney. Would she recuse do to the involvement of her brother or her husband who is in charge of forfeitures and seizures for the 105th? Why did John Hubert not take Granato & Crocker to the Grand Jury. There is much more to this story Kingsville! All the above are Allegations asserted in pending litigation. There are documents that can back this up. The Key element in my opinion is that the documents were not sealed on purpose by a technicality used as an excuse! It was a slap in the face by the U S Attorney's Office. It also implicitly undermines the City of Kingsville and makes it as though John Hubert has effectively opened the door for his brother in law to move into Kingsville & start using the tools availed to his advantage. Subsequently, I have noticed his involvement in a number of highly coincidental large busts with cash & vehicles!
At 10:16 PM, Jaime Kenedeño said...
Kingsville Economic Development is where there is a connection4/22/2005 2:13 AM --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Kingsville Economic Development is where there is a connection Originally Posted on October 7, 2004 at 11:57:54 PM by Jaime Marc Cisneros is one of the common denominators. Current CFO of the John G & Marie Stella Kenedy Memorial Foundation. Donated Land for Kingsville Economic Development plan. But before he was CFO of KFATSO he was part of the Kingsville Economic Development as President of TAMUK. He sat on both sides and in fact played himself a game of chess with regard to the Brokered deal. He was also a highly ranked General specializing in covert operations. He also Brokered deals with the King Ranch who when it boils down to it is Jack Hunt (whos involved in the Kingsville economic Development Group), Ray Lee Hunt and Exxon (who's CEO is Lee Raymond. Exxon is common between KFATSO & King Ranch as is Hunt oil (who Ray Lee Hunt is CEO). The Black Helicopters came into town and Two specific buildings were damaged. One of them was the old Exxon Building. What role did Marc Cisneros play? Kenedy Foundation And Trust Soon Obsolete (KFATSO) has many of the same operatives as does the King Ranch. Two attorneys John Matthew Sjoberg & Shannon Ratliff. Ratliff's Father is the Former Lt. Gov. of Texas. Her Family are very powerful people in Austin. They share Law Firms like Crofts & Callaway and Mike Hatchell (Super Lawyer). This is Exxon, the Hunts, & the Ex-Military federal element behind the good ole King Ranch name & its Running W Brand. There was a social study done on Kingsville prior to the demise of it's leaders. The WIA funded study moved in through Hector Hinojosa in the TANF work program. Who was his Liason? Texas Workforce? DHS? The Grants for the Dare program as well as the constables Affiliated with Romeo Lomas and the recycling program / community service division stem from the seemingly benign Welfare Investment Act. This created the private sector relationship with the public sector. Now we get the businesses recieving public money as incentive to develop welfare recipients. But it has been exploited.
At 10:41 PM, Jaime Kenedeño said...
Cisneros: I am watching!4/22/2005 2:03 AM --------------------------------------------------------------------------------King Ranch is only a name for a clandestine Elite group. Richard King was the King Ranch and then Henrietta. After that was an influx of Nazi war criminals secreted into America by way of South America; The Cleberg name becomes synonymous with the King Ranch. Cleberg or Kleberg? Either way it is a German sir name. Was the original Kleberg a Nazi? What was the grand plan for the King Ranch or was it for all of South Texas? Did the name Clement have anything to do with the Vatican or a Pope? History has portrayed the Scions of South Texas Ranching as honest heroes. How much farther from the truth could this history stray? This history is nothing more than a glorified folk tale! Richard King knew not loyalty to anyone. Not even his partners or his mentor Mifflin Kenedy. Mifflin was smart enough to veer from King after noticing King’s partners would always suffer some misfortunate accident. King acquired his land by many methods including breach of contract, trickery, harassment and Murder. Murder was the most effective method. This is where the Texas Rangers enter stage right. The Rangers were King’s personal enforcers. Led by Major Armstrong these ruthless huge “corn fed” Anglo “lawmen” pillaged, raped & murdered in the name of the State Of Texas. Since then, the Armstrong family not only acquired their own little acreage with a Polo field; they gained “invisible” control of the King Ranch and ascended to high positions of power within our Government. The Armstrong family is closely connected to the Bilderbergers Power Elite. Anne Armstrong is on the powerful elitist National Foreign Relations Committee and sits on the A&M Board of Regents (College Station) along with Guadalupe Rangel. The King Ranch over the years has harbored a craving for the Kenedy land or at least to waste it and use it for their own benefit. Some how, the Armstrong invisibly controls the King Ranch who influences the KFATSO to do the dirty work using Kenedy Land. Let us see if we can connect the dots? JFK was assassinated in Dallas. Oswald was blamed but many shots were fired as evidenced by the many nicks in the curb and vehicle; many bullets were fired and only three shots were heard. Hum? Silencers! History reveals to us that Francis Cardinal Spellman ordered the hit on JFK! Who is Spellman? In New York, the Vatican Intelligence 'special division' is directed by Cardinal Spellman. Cardinal Spellman is directly connected to J Peter Grace and Cardinal Bernard Law (Boston Diocese Pedophile). Why would Spellman want Kennedy dead? The King Ranch owned the Ranch in Mexico where the Campfire Boys trained as sharpshooters. Oswald as well as the whole team of assassins that killed JFK trained there. Now the King Ranch owned land in Cuba that was taken away when Castro ascended to power. Not only this; they are the force behind LBJ’s ascension to the Oval office. At this time before JFK was murdered; Sarita Kenedy East had recently passed and KFATSO would have welcomed a “strong arm” as an advantage. The King Ranch Super-lawyers and political influence were furnished to KFATSO at that time to battle the high & mighty J Peter Grace for control. KFATSO & King Ranch still share the Super lawyers and the influence as they are one except the Kenedy land is always the bait; never King Ranch land or Armstrong land. By the King Ranch lending a “strong arm” to KFATSO a reciprocity had to of occurred. Did Spellman provide the favor? Directly or indirectly, Spellman ordered the hit and in doing so favored the King Ranch? Why would the King Ranch off JFK? First, LBJ was their man and he was so close to the Oval office they could smell it. JFK did not align with the Good ole Boy system that already had plans to overthrow Castro after his changes affected corporate America. Sugar Cane prices went up & several Corporate Ranches were given back to the Cubans. JFK’s refusal to go ahead with the planned invasion did not stop the invasion but many CIA Agents were killed or captured in the Invasion we know as the Bay of Pigs. To Nixon the “Bay of Pigs” is code for the JFK assassination. Water Gate tapes are sealed, as they will reveal the truth? King Ranch & Armstrong are well associated with the CIA as well as Area 51. Friends of the Armstrongs, Bushs, Hunts and Grace were killed because of JFK (as they seen it). Now they are leveraging our Government for favors here in South Texas. It seems as though Marc Cisneros has been dispatched here to deal with the demands. We can see TAMUK has already been absorbed by the King Ranch, as has the entire A&M system? General Cisneros has served up Kenedy land on a platter to bring fruition to promises made a long time ago. Other Federal agencies are exploiting (the vulnerability) the King Ranch blackmail has created? There is a Hubert Boothe Federal power play. The Sam Granato Federal element might be double edged with Cisneros and the Ed Byrne grant out of the WIA and the interaction with Kingsville Naval Air Station as well as his activities with the FBI & DEA. Then we have the Black Helicopters that have been identified as FBI copters. These helicopters are associated with some sort of laser satellite communications systems in underground bunkers. Then we have Suson and the DoD in collaboration with the Betterment hate. The Bettermen are nothing more than noise makers and agitators with a Nazi stench. These guys will not even get invited to the King Ranch for any occasion. Bettermen haters are viewed by the elite as trailer trash and genetically weak (of a “lesser breed of stock”. The Elite will never accept these Nazi haters into their circles. In theory, the King Ranch must possess a operative or puppet in KPD, Kleberg County Sheriffs Department, Commissioners Court, TAMUK, and various other strategical positions. These puppets are the tattle tales when adverse situations to the King Ranch interest arise. King Ranch is Armstrong, Hunt & Exxon but, are they aligned for the long term or short term? Stewart Armstrong is (financially) behind the division of Kingsville and yes; he is connected with the Armstrongs in Kenedy County. Finally, I will refer to the various agencies vying for Grant money control. Whoever wins elected offices will (each) get to control the grant monies. This is why the politics are so dirty & crass. The Love of Avarice and the addiction to power is the reason so much hate is spewed out on the Candidates and their family members. TAMUK is the King Ranch’s research & development supported by huge injections of grant money in the name of Higher Education. The Ed Byrne Grant is the interdiction law enforcement with a military liaison and intelligence. This is being abused on our local citizens to settle personal vendettas of ones in charge. It was legislated for interdiction of terrorists, bombs weapons & threats to National Security but it is primarily used in South Texas to intercept drugs, Marijuana and cash; Cash and vehicles feed the “Town Bosses” addiction to the Power & Avarice. Who are the Puppets? Get rid of them! Cisneros I am watching! Tobin, your blood is still the same old blood that murdered, raped & pillaged South Texas. For this your land will be returned to it’s rightful possessors.
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South Texas Chisme: LULAC are you serious?

South Texas Chisme: LULAC are you serious?

Before 911 this equiptment (WIA funded) was used to exact personal vendettas and to smear political opponents

"I tend to agree. we should be electing the best candidates without much consideration of party affiliation, but I have to wonder why a candidate would become affiliated with a party that is in favor of spying on American citizens' phone calls and emails and which would drive us into deep debt while giving tax cuts to the very richest and building bridges to nowhere in Alaska while New Orleans remains unrepaired.If it is true that Rose changed parties only because Judge Hinojosa tried to change the law of Texas to cheat her husband out of a case and, when the rest of the court would not go along, Judge Hinojosa decided to sit on the case until the end of time without ruling on it, that is a motive which would answer some questions for me. But as far as joining up with the Republican party at this time with all the front-page scandals of stealing money from the American Indian tribes, I don't understand that unless there is a motive like Rose's.
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13-02-00409-CV ???????????WATT case?
Did you see something that I wrote about something or WATT?
This became a Mike Hatchell Texas Supreme Court Case.
Jurisdiction of Statutory Probate Court and venue if my memory serves me correct?
Now on to the eavesdropping.WIA / Byrne Grant / Cisneros ? COPS program TEC>>>>> TEXAS WORKFORCE COMMISSION.REMEMBER IN kINGSVILLE?

The new Sherriff / County Jail was built and the new communications devices they acquired? Remember the spat between the Sherriff and the Police Department? The Sherriff had the capability to listen to up to 100~150 phone conversations. Then the KPD built their new building next to the sherriff and worked out a deal allowing the KPD access to the equiptment and then KPD eventually acquired their own? Before 911 this equiptment was used to exact personal vendettas and to smear political opponents. Remember Sam Granato, Fil Esquivel and the Black Copters? The ones with the playboy insignia? Some type of laser communications equiptment associated with the Delta Force or WATT EVER their name was. Scared the sh/t out of my neighborhood.Remember all of the agencies that popped up? The agencies like the COPS program was supposed to be for the schools but they sure did interdict a lot and never wanted to work the accidents. There are records that indicate this.Figueroa and Lee Coleman.Sam Garcia and Romeo Lomas missappropriating and then borrowing from peter to pay paul back the missappropriated money. Peter never got paid back. Do we really need to rehash that crap?It all started when Clinton was president.Abramoff started when and official in the Clinton admin of Head Indian Affairs of Govt Agency (WHITEHOUSE) made a move allowing extinct indian tribes to become existent all they had to do was "find an indian" and they could build a casino. Well they found an unemployed welder.Since then ARAMOFF has permeated both sides with $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.It is easier to name the ones who are not involved (of the elected DEMS and REPS).A South Texas Republican is a far different species than its National Counterpart as is a South Texas Democrat. The Valley needs to realize we helped them elect Chuey and I myself have defended him. Work with me? Quit trying to divide and pull power to the SOUTH.

Kingsville Economic Development is where there is a connection

Cisneros: I am watching! 4/22/2005 2:03:14 AM
King Ranch is only a name for a clandestine Elite group. Richard King was the King Ranch and then Henrietta. After that was an influx of Nazi war criminals secreted into America by way of South America; The Cleberg name becomes synonymous with the King Ranch. Cleberg or Kleberg? Either way it is a German sir name. Was the original Kleberg a Nazi? What was the grand plan for the King Ranch or was it for all of South Texas? Did the name Clement have anything to do with the Vatican or a Pope? History has portrayed the Scions of South Texas Ranching as honest heroes. How much farther from the truth could this history stray? This history is nothing more than a glorified folk tale! Richard King knew not loyalty to anyone. Not even his partners or his mentor Mifflin Kenedy. Mifflin was smart enough to veer from King after noticing King’s partners would always suffer some misfortunate accident. King acquired his land by many methods including breach of contract, trickery, harassment and Murder. Murder was the most effective method. This is where the Texas Rangers enter stage right. The Rangers were King’s personal enforcers. Led by Major Armstrong these ruthless huge “corn fed” Anglo “lawmen” pillaged, raped & murdered in the name of the State Of Texas. Since then, the Armstrong family not only acquired their own little acreage with a Polo field; they gained “invisible” control of the King Ranch and ascended to high positions of power within our Government. The Armstrong family is closely connected to the Bilderbergers Power Elite. Anne Armstrong is on the powerful elitist National Foreign Relations Committee and sits on the A&M Board of Regents (College Station) along with Guadalupe Rangel. The King Ranch over the years has harbored a craving for the Kenedy land or at least to waste it and use it for their own benefit. Some how, the Armstrong invisibly controls the King Ranch who influences the KFATSO to do the dirty work using Kenedy Land. Let us see if we can connect the dots? JFK was assassinated in Dallas. Oswald was blamed but many shots were fired as evidenced by the many nicks in the curb and vehicle; many bullets were fired and only three shots were heard. Hum? Silencers! History reveals to us that Francis Cardinal Spellman ordered the hit on JFK! Who is Spellman? In New York, the Vatican Intelligence 'special division' is directed by Cardinal Spellman. Cardinal Spellman is directly connected to J Peter Grace and Cardinal Bernard Law (Boston Diocese Pedophile). Why would Spellman want Kennedy dead? The King Ranch owned the Ranch in Mexico where the Campfire Boys trained as sharpshooters. Oswald as well as the whole team of assassins that killed JFK trained there. Now the King Ranch owned land in Cuba that was taken away when Castro ascended to power. Not only this; they are the force behind LBJ’s ascension to the Oval office. At this time before JFK was murdered; Sarita Kenedy East had recently passed and KFATSO would have welcomed a “strong arm” as an advantage. The King Ranch Super-lawyers and political influence were furnished to KFATSO at that time to battle the high & mighty J Peter Grace for control. KFATSO & King Ranch still share the Super lawyers and the influence as they are one except the Kenedy land is always the bait; never King Ranch land or Armstrong land. By the King Ranch lending a “strong arm” to KFATSO a reciprocity had to of occurred. Did Spellman provide the favor? Directly or indirectly, Spellman ordered the hit and in doing so favored the King Ranch? Why would the King Ranch off JFK? First, LBJ was their man and he was so close to the Oval office they could smell it. JFK did not align with the Good ole Boy system that already had plans to overthrow Castro after his changes affected corporate America. Sugar Cane prices went up & several Corporate Ranches were given back to the Cubans. JFK’s refusal to go ahead with the planned invasion did not stop the invasion but many CIA Agents were killed or captured in the Invasion we know as the Bay of Pigs. To Nixon the “Bay of Pigs” is code for the JFK assassination. Water Gate tapes are sealed, as they will reveal the truth? King Ranch & Armstrong are well associated with the CIA as well as Area 51. Friends of the Armstrongs, Bushs, Hunts and Grace were killed because of JFK (as they seen it). Now they are leveraging our Government for favors here in South Texas. It seems as though Marc Cisneros has been dispatched here to deal with the demands. We can see TAMUK has already been absorbed by the King Ranch, as has the entire A&M system? General Cisneros has served up Kenedy land on a platter to bring fruition to promises made a long time ago. Other Federal agencies are exploiting (the vulnerability) the King Ranch blackmail has created? There is a Hubert Boothe Federal power play. The Sam Granato Federal element might be double edged with Cisneros and the Ed Byrne grant out of the WIA and the interaction with Kingsville Naval Air Station as well as his activities with the FBI & DEA. Then we have the Black Helicopters that have been identified as FBI copters. These helicopters are associated with some sort of laser satellite communications systems in underground bunkers. Then we have Suson and the DoD in collaboration with the Betterment hate. The Bettermen are nothing more than noise makers and agitators with a Nazi stench. These guys will not even get invited to the King Ranch for any occasion. Bettermen haters are viewed by the elite as trailer trash and genetically weak (of a “lesser breed of stock”. The Elite will never accept these Nazi haters into their circles. In theory, the King Ranch must possess a operative or puppet in KPD, Kleberg County Sheriffs Department, Commissioners Court, TAMUK, and various other strategical positions. These puppets are the tattle tales when adverse situations to the King Ranch interest arise. King Ranch is Armstrong, Hunt & Exxon but, are they aligned for the long term or short term? Stewart Armstrong is (financially) behind the division of Kingsville and yes; he is connected with the Armstrongs in Kenedy County. Finally, I will refer to the various agencies vying for Grant money control. Whoever wins elected offices will (each) get to control the grant monies. This is why the politics are so dirty & crass. The Love of Avarice and the addiction to power is the reason so much hate is spewed out on the Candidates and their family members. TAMUK is the King Ranch’s research & development supported by huge injections of grant money in the name of Higher Education. The Ed Byrne Grant is the interdiction law enforcement with a military liaison and intelligence. This is being abused on our local citizens to settle personal vendettas of ones in charge. It was legislated for interdiction of terrorists, bombs weapons & threats to National Security but it is primarily used in South Texas to intercept drugs, Marijuana and cash; Cash and vehicles feed the “Town Bosses” addiction to the Power & Avarice. Who are the Puppets? Get rid of them! Cisneros I am watching! Tobin, your blood is still the same old blood that murdered, raped & pillaged South Texas. For this your land will be returned to it’s rightful possessors.
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Kingsville Economic Development is where there is a connection 4/22/2005 2:13:32 AM
Kingsville Economic Development is where there is a connection Originally Posted on October 7, 2004 at 11:57:54 PM by Jaime Marc Cisneros is one of the common denominators. Current CFO of the John G & Marie Stella Kenedy Memorial Foundation. Donated Land for Kingsville Economic Development plan. But before he was CFO of KFATSO he was part of the Kingsville Economic Development as President of TAMUK. He sat on both sides and in fact played himself a game of chess with regard to the Brokered deal. He was also a highly ranked General specializing in covert operations. He also Brokered deals with the King Ranch who when it boils down to it is Jack Hunt (whos involved in the Kingsville economic Development Group), Ray Lee Hunt and Exxon (who''s CEO is Lee Raymond. Exxon is common between KFATSO & King Ranch as is Hunt oil (who Ray Lee Hunt is CEO). The Black Helicopters came into town and Two specific buildings were damaged. One of them was the old Exxon Building. What role did Marc Cisneros play? Kenedy Foundation And Trust Soon Obsolete (KFATSO) has many of the same operatives as does the King Ranch. Two attorneys John Matthew Sjoberg & Shannon Ratliff. Ratliff''s Father is the Former Lt. Gov. of Texas. Her Family are very powerful people in Austin. They share Law Firms like Crofts & Callaway and Mike Hatchell (Super Lawyer). This is Exxon, the Hunts, & the Ex-Military federal element behind the good ole King Ranch name & its Running W Brand. There was a social study done on Kingsville prior to the demise of it''s leaders. The WIA funded study moved in through Hector Hinojosa in the TANF work program. Who was his Liason? Texas Workforce? DHS? The Grants for the Dare program as well as the constables Affiliated with Romeo Lomas and the recycling program / community service division stem from the seemingly benign Welfare Investment Act. This created the private sector relationship with the public sector. Now we get the businesses recieving public money as incentive to develop welfare recipients. But it has been exploited.
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South Texas Spaceport Consortium has met with Marc Cisneros new CEO of.... 4/22/2005 2:16:06 AM
the Kenedy Memorial Foundation Originally Posted on April 22, 2005 at 04:16:51 AM by Jaime Greater Kingsville Economic Development Council Board of Directors Meeting Wednesday, December 18, 2001; 7:30 A.M. Present Clyde Allen Norma Alvarez Scott Dodds Rudy Dyson Phil Esquivel Otto Ewers Fil Garcia Dan Garza Ken Haunschild Joe Henkel Pat Kapitan Robert McCreight Dick Messbarger JJ Morrow Sam Nelson Darrell Nordeen Bill Raabe Dr. Jimmy Suarez Marty West Patti Wolfe Rina Perham Absent Sylvia Aparicio Harold Ashley Dr. Kay Clayton Dr. Martha Salazar-Zamora Phil Smith Call to Order: President Joe Henkel called the meeting to order. Approve Minutes: A number of board members said that they had not received copies of the board minutes from the November 28 meetings. A note pad was circulated asking each director to note how they wanted to receive their copy of the board minutes: email, fax, or mailed. Because of the confusion, the board decided to table approval of the minutes until the January meeting to allow sufficient time to review the minutes. Approve Operating Statement: Rudy Dyson moved that the operating statement of November 30, 2001 be approved as presented. Patti Wolfe seconded the motion and it carried. Establishment/Continuation of Committees: President Henkel highlighted key committees of the EDC for the coming year. He plans to combine the Long Range Planning, Infrastructure/ Utilities, and Business Incentive Committees into one. Henkel asked for members of the board to consider serving on this committee and to let either he or staff know if interested. The following individuals were asked to chair the respective committees: Committee Chairman Long Range Planning/Infrastructure/Utilities/Business Incentives Unnamed NAS Task Force Billie Gunter Education/Job Training Sylvia Aparicio Bylaws Review Rudy Dyson NAS Kingsville: Staff reported that the 2002 Defense Authorization Bill has passed both Houses of Congress (Dec. 13) and is headed to the President for his signature. Indications are that the president will sign the bill, which apparently includes $13M for two T-45C simulators for NAS Kingsville. These simulators were the highest priority of the NASKINGS Task Force. Congressman Ortiz was successful in inserting one simulator in the House Authorization bill, but nothing was included in the House Appropriations bill for the simulators. The Senate Authorization Committee failed to include the simulators in their version of the bill, but the Senate Appropriations Committee (of which Sen. Hutchison is a member) included the $13M for the two simulators. There is some concern that the Defense bill excluded approximately $13M for improved navigational equipment and parts for the T-45A aircraft at NAS Kingsville. The final disposition of that funding is still unclear. The NASKINGS Task Force has a three-pronged attack: (1) begin working with NAS Kingsville on identifying and funding a priority list of MILCON (military construction) projects; (2) work on key funding for NAS Kingsville with the supplemental budget; and (3) identify and initiate funding to be included in the FY 03 Defense Bill. Questions were asked about the proposal to locate the F-19 E/F Super Hornets at NAS Meridian. Meridian is still an F-18 base option for the Navy. Should the Navy decide to locate the East Coast Super Hornet Squadron at Meridian, the Navy would have to look at single siting all strike pilot training at NAS Kingsville. Reports A. Staff reported that the decision by Willacy County to pursue the $500,000 in spaceport funding from the state was twofold: (1) Kenedy County was not interested in pursuing the funding; and (2) Willacy County has identified a 10,000-acre site for a spaceport. The Request for Qualifications (RFQ) stated that the home county of a spaceport site must be the applicant for the funding. The Sarita Spaceport Site identified and developed by the South Texas Spaceport Consortium lies in Kenedy County. Since Kenedy County would not apply for the funding, an alternate site was needed to access the funding. Willacy County Commissioners Court met Monday, December 10 and voted to create a spaceport authority, name the seven board members, apply for the funding, and hire Shiner Moseley & Associates to develop their response to the RFQ. Shiner Moseley will base their application on the Willacy County site, but will provide information on the alternate site in Kenedy County. The leadership of the South Texas Spaceport Consortium has met with Marc Cisneros, new CEO of the Kenedy Memorial Foundation, and reconfirmed their interest in pursuing a spaceport. B. A&P Certification classes will begin in January at Coastal Bend College-Kingsville. The classes will be conducted in the same building as the high school classes. Eventually, a new facility will be required to house the equipment necessary for FAA certification of the program. C (1). There continues to be confusion over the tax abatement contracts with Calling Solutions. The city, county and water authority all approved tax abatements on personal property beginning with the 2000 tax year. But, because approximately $500,000 worth of equipment was delivered to the Kingsville center just prior to January 1, 2000, the Kleberg County Appraisal District ruled that Calling Solutions was liable for the taxes. In addition, the building is owned by the city as a result of the $750,000 grant from the Texas Capital Fund. It was assumed that since the city owned the building it would not be placed on the tax rolls. But, the Appraisal District ruled that since the city is not using the building for city purposes, it would be subject to taxes. Calling Solutions is looking at $30,000 a year in taxes. Mayor Esquivel has agreed to call a meeting of all the three taxing entities in an attempt to resolve the tax abatement issue. C (2). The Kingsville City Commission voted unanimously Monday (Dec. 17) to sign a contract with S&B Infrastructure to do the engineering schematics for the Gen. Cavazos improvement project. The contact is for $150,000 and will accelerate construction of the improvements by two years. The private sector has pledged to provide 50% of the total cost ($75,000), with the remaining 50% ($75,000) provided as part of a Texas Capital Fund Grant. Kleberg County will consider contributing to the engineering schematics at their December 21 meeting. The EDC staff will be at the county meeting to explain the request. In other business, staff was asked about responses to the county and water authority concerning quarterly payments. A brief presentation was made to the Kleberg County Commissioners Court Monday, December 10 that was followed by a unanimous vote to fund the quarterly payment. A similar brief was given to the Kingsville City Commission Monday, December 17 but no vote was required. The South Texas Water Authority has sent a letter to the EDC asking for an explanation of the Bylaws concerning representations by public entities. At issue is the language in the Bylaws that originally read ?city, county and water authority representatives shall be voting members of the board? and was amended at the last board meeting to ?should be voting members.? The county asked that their representative be a full voting member. The city asked that the city manager be placed as a director on the EDC board as soon as an opening appears. A written response to the water authority will be issued as soon as possible. When the question of how the board would address the need for seating the county?s representative was asked, Rudy Dyson responded that it would not create a problem since he would tender his resignation. As a final note, President Joe Henkel presented Rudy Dyson with a plaque that acknowledged the EDC?s appreciation for his two years of leadership as president of the organization. There being no further action, the board adjourned. Approved: Sam Nelson, 1st Vice President
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Richard Mifflin Kleberg, went to Washington as a Congressmen, and hired... 4/23/2005 1:02:14 AM
a young man named Lyndon Johnson as an aide. Meanwhile, Back at the Ranch In 1983, Debrett''s Peerage Ltd., publisher of Debrett''s Peerage and Baronetage, issued a book entitled Debrett''s Texas Peerage, on ``the aristocrats of Texas.'''' Featured quite prominently in the book was ``The Royal Family of Ranching,'''' the Klebergs of the King Ranch. ``Robert Justus Kleberg, Jr., was a god among Texas ranchers,'''' the chapter on the King Ranch began. ``They still talk about him today in reverent tones, not only on ranches around the world, but at `21,'' The Pierre, Saratoga, The Jockey Club and other exclusive enclaves which he used to frequent during racing season in the East.'''' The New York Times has repeatedly referred to the spread as ``the legendary King Ranch,'''' and Debrett''s said that before the ranch opened itself to oil production, it was known as ``the Walled Kingdom.'''' The Klebergs, Debrett''s gushed, had ``lifelong friendships with the Whitneys, Vanderbilts and other horsey families of the East.'''' The ranch has also been host to some of the most powerful oligarchs in the world, including Prince Johannes von Thurn und Taxis, hereditary head of the Venetian intelligence service, and Prince Charles of Britain. Anne Armstrong of the King Ranch was U.S. Ambassador to Britain in the 1970s, as well as being chairman of the President''s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board (PFIAB) from 1982 to 1990, under Reagan and Bush. [5] The King Ranch was formed in 1857 by Captain Richard King, who had made his living as a steamboat captain running cargo and passengers along the Rio Grande River; he had arrived on the Rio Grande just after Gen. Zachary Taylor arrived with his army to defend the State of Texas against Mexico. King and his partner, Mifflin Kenedy, ran supplies for Taylor, in an operation which was actually an intelligence network operating under the cover of commerce. Just prior to the Civil War, King and Kenedy bought huge tracts of land just south of Corpus Christi; another member of the network was Charles Stillman, a border merchant who later moved to New York to found the National City Bank (a.k.a. Citibank). King''s principal lawyer in the early days was Stephen Powers of Brownsville, who had previously been a U.S. consul to Switzerland. During the Civil War, the King Ranch was an important transshipment point for Confederate supplies, particularly when the Mexican port of Matamoros took on crucial importance after the Union blockade closed the ports in the South. The ranch also functioned as an intelligence center for the Confederacy. The Klebergs entered the picture when Robert Justus Kleberg (``Kleberg the First,'''' according to Debrett''s) married Captain King''s daughter, Alice. When Captain King died in 1885, Kleberg took command of the ranch. Kleberg the First and Alice had two sons and three daughters. The elder son, Richard Mifflin Kleberg, went to Washington as a Congressmen, and hired a young man named Lyndon Johnson as an aide. The younger son, Robert, Jr., eventually took over the ranch from his father. The business operations of the ranch in the mid-1980s were run by Jim Clement, the Princeton-trained son of Martin Clement, a former honcho of the Pennsylvania Railroad. One of Clement''s friends and regular guests was the late Prince Johannes von Thurn und Taxis, the aforementioned Venetian spook and oligarch. The King Ranch got a financial boost when oil was discovered on the property, and royalties from Humble Oil & Refining (later bought by Exxon) started rolling in. With their social and political connections, and the oil money, the King-Kleberg heirs moved into the corporate world. [6] In 1977, Prince Charles visited the Armstrong Ranch to play polo with Anne''s husband, Tobin Armstrong of the Armstrong Ranch; his brother John Armstrong of the neighboring King Ranch; John''s son Charles Armstrong, and oil heir Will Farish of Houston, among others. Source: http://educate-yourself.org/cn/southernstrategyassaultonamerica01jan01.shtml
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1460

Is this the annexed land for the road or BNP''s Way into 4/23/2005 1:39:45 AM
the National Seashore? ________________________________________________________________________________ ""North Padre Island Scenic Acquisition Project"" http://www.tea.state.tx.us/psf/AR04.pdf Pg.29 #3 It would not let me copy & paste that is why I put the link.
dannoynted1Posts: 553

Re: Cisneros: I am watching! 4/23/2005 3:07:34 AM
yeah marky the whole world is now watching!

Thank You Sen. Chuy Hinojosa for taking a stand!

Thank You Sen. Chuy Hinojosa for taking a stand! 4/20/2005 2:17:15 AM
I seen TV 3 this evening and they were trying to sensationalize a Senator that I believe was standing up for the little people. When stopped he exits his vehicle to the rear and ask the officer the reason he is being pulled over. The officer replies that he crossed the white line and that was the reason. Then the officer proceeds to ascertain the degree (how dark)of the window tint. I consider that a aearch! Without permission? Channel 3 was wrong! Thank you Chuy for standing up for us. He was headed South in a High Profile SUV so the only thing they could have been looking for is $$$$$$$$$$$$$. Once again an example of Law Enforcement "Addicted to Avarice". Chuy got a warning however I got a ticket in Bioshop for the same thing. Illegal Searches must be stopped!
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dannoynted1Posts: 553

Re: Thank You Sen. Chuy Hinojosa for taking a stand! 4/20/2005 3:03:05 AM
bravo! bravo! i thought it was the white line? or was the tint of the tint on the vehicle? or maybe they were just hoping for a nervous response? routine is this what is defined as:""a routine traffic stop""? yeah right! go chuy go chuy go chuy!
curmudgeonPosts: 3272

Don''t cross . . . 4/20/2005 5:52:25 AM
. . . the center stripe or illegally tint your windows and you probably won''t get stopped. If you want to complain about something, complain about ""consent searches"".
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1460

Both types of searches........... 4/20/2005 7:22:58 AM
we need to object. Then our right to object will not be construed as having something to hide. More warrants turning up zilch will settle those boys down.
jaimetoPosts: 69

Re: Both types of searches........... 4/20/2005 7:27:41 AM
Jaime What exactly was the reason for the ticket? Was it the shade of your tinted windows or crossing the white line? gracias jaimeto
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1460

Re: Re: Both types of searches........... 4/20/2005 7:52:22 AM
My ticket was for the tint. Chuy''s was a warning for the tint but he was pulled over for crossing the white line! My windows were rolled down!
sidewalk_cipherPosts: 2648

Re: Re: Re: Both types of searches........... 4/20/2005 10:14:46 AM
chuy was pulled over for BOTH crossing the white line AND having tinted windows... watch the tape again, the cop says ""i pulled up along side of you because your windows looked too dark"" Then upon testing, what to you know, too dark. Crum is right, don''t illegally tint your windows or vear over lines and you wouldn''t get pulled over. Next time a hispanic cop pulls me over I''m gonna scream racism and see how far that gets me.
Capt CarralesPosts: 3158

Sidewalk_Cipher... 4/20/2005 12:56:17 PM
..I agree, I am tired of peole who seem to think they don''t have to follow laws and scream Bloody" name=28183
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1460

There is a Grant called...... 4/20/2005 4:34:59 PM
the Byrne Grant. Task Forces throughout South Texas are abusing this search, seizure & forfeiture by profiling vehicles to pull over. I was pulled over and my windows were down. IMHO it is not a racial issue it is more because they (Law Enforcement)can and they do (abuse) issue . The Grant is from the Welfare to Work (WIA). There are several Legislators who are against the Byrne Grant. Remember Ed Byrne Fine Furniture?
GuidoPosts: 153
Re: Sidewalk_Cipher... 4/20/2005 9:04:13 PM
The windows were so darkly tinted, race was not an issue in the stop, obviously.
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1460

Like I said........ 4/20/2005 9:45:16 PM
it is not racial profiling but Corridor Law Enforcement''s ""Addiction to Avarice""! They are $$$$$$$$$$$$ profiling! SUV profiling! The SUV was traveling South. This is the Byrne Grant interdiction program shuttled in by the ""undercover operative of Kingsville"". Remember him? the one Patti Boothe let the name slip out? He is now the ""CEO of a very powerful religious entity"" to quote a law enforcement spokesman. It is a Federal Kingsville thing like the FDC antennas they use to interdict! Dont take my word for it. Check out Ed Byrne, the FDC by Pan Am and the WIA.
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1460

Correction FCC (Federal Communications Commission) 4/20/2005 10:23:16 PM
My bad!
hieHavocPosts: 133

Re: Steps to take during a stop... 4/20/2005 12:34:28 PM
i guess we should be good little civilians and not tint our windows at all because what do we have to hide, right? and remember, don''t question orders, you could get tasered if the Commanding Officer sees fit to do so. try not to look them in the eyes and try to take most of the bass our of your voice to rid yourself of sounding authoritative. and keep both hands on the wheel and coward forward as if you are returning to your fetal position. and then you will be the perfect civilian.
curmudgeonPosts: 3272

Yeah, and give the cop . . . 4/20/2005 1:17:28 PM
. . . some attitude . . . if you want to find out what the paint on the hood of your car taste like. Funny thing, I haven''t been pull over in years . . . well, unless you count the time the constable in Robstown pull me over on the ZX-6R for doin'' 95 in a 55. Didn''t even get a warning. There is something to be said for assuming a submissive attitude.
hieHavocPosts: 133

Re: Yeah, and give the cop . . . 4/20/2005 2:16:10 PM
no, we have laws and we have to follow them. but if they search your car for no valid reason then you should inform them that you know your rights and tell them that you will not let them search your car and not just sit there and just follow orders from a peace officer that is there to serve and protect, not stop, search, and prosecute. and the cop should have given you a ticket no matter how submissive you were or are and you had to feel like you were in the hands of cop, you were the malible phlegm that builds up in his throat and he could decide to eject you or swallow your life away. of course this is a wild exageration because it was just a speeding ticket but it would be more comparible if you were going that fast in a school zone. you know humans by nature are not submissive, we are the dominating mammal because of that, and some people are dominated in sub-categories in the human mammal category because of lack of ""spine"". why do you think you are ""broke"" in the military? you are trained to follow orders without question and when that happens you have just become ""broke"" or dominated.
Capt CarralesPosts: 3158

Here is why you and all people need to know your rights... 4/20/2005 2:20:18 PM
...under the Constitution. The Forth Amendment regards this matter, if you had a copy of the Constitution in your pocket you could quote the Supremem Law of the Land..." name=28183
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1460

I agree...... 4/20/2005 4:39:23 PM
I always show respect and usually I have no problems. There are some who have an attitude with even the most humble of citizens.
sidewalk_cipherPosts: 2648

Re: Re: Steps to take during a stop... 4/20/2005 1:56:01 PM
i guess we should be good little civilians and not tint our windows at all because what do we have to hide, right? You should be a good little civilian and not ILLEGALLY tint your windows, if you don''t want to get pulled over. Your questioning the very fabric of society(which I don''t mind), sure tinted windows seem trival, but its the law. If you don''t like the law you can always work to change it. and remember, don''t question orders, you could get tasered if the Commanding Officer sees fit to do so. Well, thats an exageration... but if you give a cop attitude he''s not gonna like it. Its possible to ask questions in a respectful way and not get slamed.
hieHavocPosts: 133

Re: Re: Re: Steps to take during a stop... 4/20/2005 2:18:22 PM
your right, i didn''t explain well, i meant if your car was searched because you had tinted windows.
Capt CarralesPosts: 3158

4th Amendment... 4/20/2005 2:26:52 PM
...''nuff Said!!!
curmudgeonPosts: 3272

During a traffic stop . . . 4/20/2005 2:30:20 PM
. . . a cop has the right to do a cursory search of those areas within reach of the driver for weapons and such.
hieHavocPosts: 133

Re: During a traffic stop . . . 4/20/2005 2:43:07 PM
yah, but its a legal authority, please don''t say right...and i expect them to do that, its for their safety, i am not against authority, i''m against the abuse of authority. watch cops sometime and count how many violations you can find.
curmudgeonPosts: 3272

Always carry . . . 4/20/2005 3:35:28 PM
. . . a box of Krispy Kreme donuts as a diverson.
bigoPosts: 435
Re: I wonder. . . 4/20/2005 3:39:51 PM
If they ticketed VP Cheney last year when he flew in to NAS Kingsville and went down south 77 to bird hunt, riding in the blacked out Suburbans.
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1460

I heard ....... 4/20/2005 5:03:42 PM
otherwise, from the one who set up the phone lines. Were they hunting with Rove or just at Rove''s lease? Or were they at Rio Paisano? The 40 million dollar Ranch that sold for $4.5 million? Hmmmm????
davidg4781Posts: 280

Re: Re: I wonder. . . 4/25/2005 7:09:09 PM
Those are government vehicles, they''re exempt, probably for the safety of the occupants(VP).
sidewalk_cipherPosts: 2648

Re: Re: Re: Re: Steps to take during a stop... 4/20/2005 4:22:47 PM
your right, i didn''t explain well, i meant if your car was searched because you had tinted windows. Ok, but that hasn''t happened...
davidg4781Posts: 280

Re: Re: Re: Re: Steps to take during a stop... 4/25/2005 7:12:30 PM
Don''t they have to ask you before searching your car? If you say yes, you gave them permission and they have the legal right to search. If you say no, they either have to let you go or get a warrant out there. Don''t let them walk over you.
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1460

Re: Re: Steps to take during a stop... 4/20/2005 4:56:00 PM
AS A HUMAN BEING YOU HAVE CERTAIN INALIENABLE RIGHTS, INCLUDING THE RIGHT TO LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT HAPPINESS .THE COSTITUTION ADVANCES THESE RIGHTS BY PROHIBITING THE GOVERNMENT FROM INTERFERING WITH YOUR RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT, TO CONSULT AN ATTORNEY AND TO BE FREE FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES AND SEIZURES BY THE POLICE. HOWEVER, IT IS UP TO YOU TO ASSERT THESE RIGHTS. THE NORML FREEDOM CARD WILL HELP YOU DO SO EFFECTIVELY. IF YOU ARE CONFRONTED BY A POLICE OFFICER, REMAIN CALM. BE COURTEOUS TOWARD THE OFFICER AND PROVIDE WITH YOUR IDENTIFING INFORMATION. REFUSE TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. ASK TO TALK TO AN ATTORNEY. DO NOT CONSENT TO ANY SEARCH. TELL THE OFFICER YOU WOULD LIKE TO GIVE HIM THIS CARD, WHICH IS A STATEMENT OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS YOU WISH TO INVOKE. DO NOT REACH FOR THIS CARD UNTIL YOU HAVE OBTAINED PERMISSION TO DO SO.SOMETIMES THE OFFICER WILL REAK THE LAW BY VIOLATING YOUR RIGHTS. IF THE OFFICER FAILS TO HONOR YOUR RIGHTS, THEN REMAIN CALM AND POLITE AND ASK HIM TO NOTE YOUR OBJECTION IN HIS REPORT. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO PHYSICALLY RESIST AN UNLAWFUL SEARCH AND SEIZURE OF YOU OR YOUR PROPERTY. IF NECESSARY, YOU CAN POINT THE VIOLATIONS OUT TO A JUDGE AT A LATER TIME. TO ALL GOVERNMENT AGENCIES AND OFFICERS: · I HEARBY INVOKE AND REFUSE TO WAIVE ALL OF THE FOLLOWING RIGHTS AND PRIVLEGES AFFORDED TO ME BY THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION. · I INVOKE AND REFUSE TO WAIVE MY FIFTH AMENDMENT RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT. DO NOT ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS · I INVOKE AND REFUSE TO WAIVE MY SIXTH AMENDMENT RIGHT TO AN ATTORNEY OF MY CHOICE. DO NOT ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS WITHOUT MY ATTORNEY PRESENT. I INVOKE AND REFUSE TO WAIVE ALL PRIVLEGES AND RIGHTS PURSUANT TO THE CASE MIRANDA V. ARIZONA. DO NOT ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS OR MAKE ANY COMMENT TO ME AOUT THIS DECISION. · I INVOKE AND REFUSE TO WAIVE MY FOURTH AMENDMENT RIGHT TO E FREE FROM SEARCHES AND SEIZURES. I DO NOT CONSENT TO ANY SEARCHES OR SEIZURES OF MYSELF OR OF ANY PROERTY. DO NOT ASK ME AOUT MY OWNERSHIP INTEREST IN ANY PROPERTY. I DO NOTCONSENT TO THIS CONTACT. IF IAM NOT PRESENTLY UNDER ARREST OR UNDER INESTIGATION DETENTION, ADISE ME OF MY FREEDOM TO DISCONTINUE MY CONTACT WITH YOU AND LEAVDO NOT DISCCUSS WITH ME, QUESTION ME AOUT OR COMMENT UPON, DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY,MY DECISION TO INOKE ANY OF THESE RIGHTS WITHOUT MY ATTORNEY PRESENT. FURTHERMORE, DO NOT QUESTION ME IN AN EFFORT TO CLARIFY ANY OF THE INFORMATION ON THIS CARD WITHOUT MY ATTORNEY PRESENT. ANY STATEMENT I MAKE OR CONSENT I GIE, IN RESPONSE TO YOUR QUESTIONSIS HEARBY MADE UNDER PROTEST AND UNDER DURESS AND IN SUBMISSION TO YOUR LAWFUL AUTHORITY TO FORCE ME TO PROVIDE YOU WITH INFORMATION.
dannoynted1Posts: 553

Re: Don''t cross . . . 4/22/2005 12:13:56 AM
the limo drivers cuz the people want see who is behind those too dark windows limos should start getting stopped now! their tint is way too dark for me to see what color they are i am hoping a shade of blue! hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
davidg4781Posts: 280

Re: Re: Don''t cross . . . 4/25/2005 7:14:38 PM
It''s just the front windows that matter, the back ones can be painted black. Or, tinted" name=28183
GuidoPosts: 153
Re: Thank You Sen. Chuy Hinojosa for taking a stand! 4/20/2005 8:58:21 PM
First of all, Chuy isn''t standing up for the little guy. He is just having a tantrum. He is the big bad senator, who violated the law, albeit a minor law, who was ticked off that he was called on it. Secondly, while you may believe it is a search, the federal courts do not agree. Probable cause existed for the officer to check the tint, since he could not see through the tint that was well over the legal limit. Chuy, like all of us, have to observe the same laws that the legislature, of which he is a part I might add, adopts. He is just a patron going after the little guy, not standing up for them. He thinks he is above them. He does lie like a politician though...
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1460

Dont insult........ 4/20/2005 10:03:22 PM
your intelligence Guido. Those tint meters are an easy & efficient way of generating money for the local ""political bosses"" in South Texas. It is the quota system tweaked and then cubed. So is the law applicable to the darkness of window tint. Like Curmy said they do not pull the Pres or the Vice pres over for the windows that might as well be walls (as far as vision is considered). Several on the ""Hill"" are violating the Law as your interpretation implies. My windows were rolled down when they pulled me over to check? Whether he is throwing a tantrum or not he is still standing up for a group of people that have been subjected to the Corrupted Greed of Corridor Lawmen. God does work in mysterious ways? Sen Chuy Hinojosa is not the only one complaining about the Byrne Grant officers and interdiction. Educate yourself on the issue?
bykcopPosts: 57

Re: Re: Thank You Sen. Chuy Hinojosa for taking a stand! 4/23/2005 1:46:41 AM
Here is my take on the issue. First of all this reminded me of the video durring the election of govenor Rick Perry with the trooper outside Austin. Chuy was doing nothing but trying to use his power and influence to intimidate the officer. Chuy was stopped for crossing the white line and the dark window tint. Simple. It was not racial or even drug courier profiling. Don''t read to much into things. He is lucky officer Magee gave him a warning. Maybe Chuy is sending a message to us. Remember it ws not long ago in the valley news, Chuy was linked to some campaign supporters who have been under investigation for drug trafficing by the federal gov''t. Ask yourself is Chuy really out for the little man or is this some form of campaign support. Remember Texas began the concept and practice of inercepting and getting the dope and dope money off the street. Every year other states have sent their officers to learn form agencies like the South Texs Narcotics Task Force. This is not some fly by night thing. And the best part is that drug courier profiling is OK by the gov''t and not considered racial profiling. The reality is simple if we loose drug interdiction then we can expect the illegal drug market to once again flourish. Right now we are putting a dent. It is no secret that HWY 77 and HWY 281 are known major drug trafficing routes into the US. It has been for over 15 years now. Hitting them where the money is hurts. Getting the drug money hurts more than the dug seizures. I have both stopped vehicles and recieved consent to search and have been stopped and searched (consent given). For those of us who toe the line then we have nothing to fear. But for those who have something to fear then you see the worry lines begin to raise. CMR CMR
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1460

Chuy Hinojosa is only one of many Legislators... 4/23/2005 3:26:19 AM
including the National Congress that want to end the Ed Byrne Grant & the fraud / corruption connected to it. Do you know this grant stems from the WIA welfare to work legislation of 1995-97? Chuey did nothing in violation during the stop. He only exercised his rights; probably moreso than an ordinary (not legally trained) citizen. If more people refused to be searched then they would not harrass multitudes to catch the few. I am against the traffickers and terrorists but not at the expense of the patriot act being used against americans who are not in posession of drugs with the intent to distribute, but they are seizing $$$$$$$$$$ & vehicles for a minute amount of Mary Jane (sometimes a seed) or money that a dog alerts to like less than 10K that might harbor a residue. Stashing of money to keep for themselves and sometimes even drugs to boot also. These guys are ""Addicted to Avarice"". Tim Knowell needs to check himself!
dannoynted1Posts: 553

Re: Re: Re: Thank You Sen. Chuy Hinojosa for taking a stand! 4/23/2005 3:35:31 AM
money rather than drugs? now you confirmed what i already knew its the cash from the profits of the drugs you want and not the ""interdiction"" of the drugs that give you the cash i bet you you profile where ever you are! courier profile? that is a new one, thanx for the insight! is that why he was stopped? so it was not the tint or ""white"" line? good to know it was a ""routine acceptable traffic stop!"" you can bet it will not be routine when you stop me... i''ve been accused of having an ""attitude"" but with the utmost respect!
bykcopPosts: 57

Re: Re: Re: Re: Thank You Sen. Chuy Hinojosa for taking a stand! 4/25/2005 12:56:22 AM
It has never been a secret that interdiction targets both the removal of drug and the big hit to the pocket book of the drug leaders. When I went through drug interdiction training in 1996, I was shocked to learn of the most commonly used individuals for transporting the illegal drugs are women with children. The sad part is that it has not changed as far as the couriers. As far as using the word routine...I don''t believe in it. Just last week I was assisting another officer on a DWI stop of a 30''s white female with two young children in the car. When I was able to release the children to their grandparent not only did I find Rx meds in the front under the seat but was has tested positive as ""Meth"" near one car seat. The reality is that while profiling is a tool that has been used as a means of intelligence gathering, there is no such thing as routine and no amount of intelligence that will truely predict a specific behavior (esp when it comes to drugs). I don''t work traffic enforcement full time but I do average 6 - 10 stops per day and not a single one could be considered routine.
mark blankenshipPosts: 1094
Re: Re: Re: Thank You Sen. Chuy Hinojosa for taking a stand! 4/23/2005 7:13:31 AM
Bycop, good to see you back.
bykcopPosts: 57

Re: Re: Re: Re: Thank You Sen. Chuy Hinojosa for taking a stand! 4/25/2005 12:43:36 AM
Thanks Mark...I am limited on my time due to my work schedule (and being short handed now days adds to the work load). I will try to keep poping in every time I get a chance.
mark blankenshipPosts: 1094
On a side note.... 4/21/2005 1:54:08 AM
Our illustrious city fishwrap outed State Senator Juan Chuy Hinojosa as one of 30 state legislators who have a conceled carry permit. I wonder if his votes reflect this fact. Hmmm.....
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1460

I wonder....... 4/21/2005 2:24:23 AM
if he was (pro or anti) also ? He probably carried one anyway being that he does travel through 3 or more counties; it would be legal, right?
curmudgeonPosts: 3272

A popular urban myth . . . 4/21/2005 5:56:20 AM
. . . that will get you arrested.
dannoynted1Posts: 553

Re: On a side note.... 4/21/2005 3:37:37 AM
so i guess asking if he had a weapon would have been considered null since it was cumulative? i guess they were hoping he would pull it?
davidg4781Posts: 280

Re: Re: On a side note.... 4/25/2005 7:25:50 PM
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donpPosts: 14

Re: Thank You Sen. Chuy Hinojosa for taking a stand! 4/21/2005 4:37:08 PM
Hey Jaime, in the first place when an officer I believe you are supposed to stay in your car and next the windows were dark enough that the officer could not tell if a mexican , white or black person was driving so get off your race card. Are you a member of LULAC or what. Every time a mexican gets stopped its a racial thing , screw you.
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1460

Don P: I said $$$$$$$$$....... 4/21/2005 10:01:43 PM
profiling. Do your homework. Right now you are the dunce of the room! I never play the race card. Edumacate yourself! DUH?????